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Old 07-21-2007, 03:47 PM
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Noisy Pioneer Head Units

My friend and I made this tutorial up after we read some great information on DIY Car Audio (links embedded in tutorial) Hope this helps you out Pioneer~Saturn!!!
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Thank you VERY Much to Rudy and his link to the DIY Mobile Audio Pioneer Head Unit Fix (<----link) I decided to try it on my own.
Following is a list of the steps I took to resolve the noise issue on my 8800 Series deck. Keeping in mind that different Models will have more/less pico fuses, or they may be located in a different place than where I found mine. It is recommended you download the wiring schematic for your stereo and understand the circuitry before even opening the cover on your own radio.
Here is a link to a copy of the Wiring Schematic for this series.
You MUST make sure, with a simple Ohm Meter Test, if the sheild on your unit is grounded or floating. With the power completely disconnected, take your ohm meter and ground one side to the chassis of the HU, or the harness ground--- then place the other end on the rca sheild--- if it measures at or close to zero...it is a grounded sheild, if it measures low then starts climbing to infinity... it is cap coupled. If it gives you a reading of, say 100, 200, etc. Ohms, then you know it is Isolated by a 200 Ohm resistor. Most Pioneer Head Units are floating ground and hence this stupid issue with the fuses POPPING if you arent careful EVERYTIME you unhook and then re-apply the power to your unit... lesson learned I guess!
:fyi: ALLWAYS Disconnect the ground cable on your battery before making ANY Connections to ANY electrical component in your vehicle!!!! :fyi:
THE GROUND CABLE ON THE BATTERY SHOULD ALLWAYS BE THE FIRST THING DISCONNECTED AND THE LAST THING RE-CONNECTED WHEN YOU ARE FINISHED CHANGING/WIRING ETC.!!!
This tutorial IN NO WAY is authorized by Pioneer, or the DIY forum and no warranty, gaurantee, or otherwise is implied. If you attempt this task you may risk permanent damage to your head unit. DO NOT attempt if your HU is still under warranty with the manufacturer! This WILL VOID the warranty by the manufacturer.
in other words... DON'T Do It unless you know what you are doing!
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Ok, enough of the crap.....
What you will need:
-A well Lit work area--and magnifier if your eyes are getting as bad as mine! :sad2:
-A Small, low wattage soldering iron (I used a 15W pinpoint solder iron and filed one side flat before heating) Click This text for a Tutorial on proper Electrical Solder Techniques.
- rosin core solder (see link above!)
- A Small Magnetized Philips Screw driver.
- A small flat blade screw driver.
- a 0 (zero) or 1 Ohm, .25 (on quarter--1/4) watt resistor. It is also advised in the DIY forum that it is not necissary to use a resistor... one of the other tips was to use a single strand of copper wire from something like multi strand speaker wire, remote wire, etc. This is what I used--by the time I got into the HU tho, it was too late for me to go and buy a resistor anywhere.
-A small pair of neelde-nose pliers-- I also aquired a pair of medical forceps-- they work AWESOME because the tip is super small and once you clamp it on, you CAN'T drop the wire/resistor/part you are handling.
First..My poor abused car---Gawd it needs SO MUCH work... one step at a time.
Yank her out however it is installed..can't do any damage if its in the dash!

The Non-Do-It-yourselfer has "fixed" most noise problems on Pioneer Headunits by creating a new ground source..or, wrapping the grounds. yep, me too! Then I read this other forum and found out what is actually causing the problem.
so, here is a Picture of the Pre-Amp Out grounds wrapped--- My Style of course! I secured a strand of 14 AWG Stripped copper wire to the center screw first (if you look inside the HU you will find this is what secures these outputs to the chassis of the radio--1st ground) Then I wrapped EACH ground shield and terminated at the screw on the right that is attached directly to the chassis and is also used to secure the bottom half of the "box."

Oh, and I DID try grounding it to the chassis first (instead of the default harness ground) This was the second choice, yess...my DMM proved this (even with the bushing) was a solid ground..the bolt passes clear through and the washer gave a solid foundation.
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Pioneer made it NICE and EASY to get to the circuitry... carefull use your small flat blade scredriver to "POP" these two little pressure buttons out--releasing the top.


from Left to right...
Once the top is removed you are looking at the CD Transport... Pioneer attach's this entire unit with four screws.
Screw 1 and 2 are easy. #3 is easy to get too and can be recovered easily with your needlenose pliers if you drop it...
#4-- here is where you need the magnetized screwdriver! It is buried down at the bottom, even when you pull this assembly out it is VERY Difficult to set it in there for re-assembly--trust me-- magnetize one of your small screwdrivers! You will thank me!

Now, be VERY CAREFUL... the upper cd transport assembly is attached to the bottom Circuit board with a very thin and fragile ribbon cable... if you can gently set it aside, that would be better than pulling it..those tiny ends are a BEAR to get back in!

Now you are to the MEAT of it!

Notice my HU has three outputs... F/R/S-- SO, there are three pre-amp Pico Fuses that need to be checked. I did Not take the board out and turn it over...sorry... the pico fuse just looks like one of those small diodes. NOTICE: that the FU Pico FUse is parallel to the CN circuit. Just another way you know you are looking at the right solder joint.
FU352= Front Output

FU151= Rear Output (I dont use these in my system)

FU351 = Sub Output -- Its hard to see--it is the one next to the coil

After some testing I found that the FU352 Pico fuse is the one (well one of the components) introducing noise into my radio.
So, a strand of copper and...we bypass the blown pico fuse!

(sorry bout the quality (or lack there of in the pic--no matter what I tried I just couldnt get a GOOD pic of the bridged soldered connection)
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YOU can actually use a resistor, just make sure no part of the lead shorts agains any other component in the case!
Thank you to "dalinkwent" on the DIYMobileAudio Forum for this picture!

This is a proven Fix and I want to thank the fellow geeks Over at DIY MOBILE AUDIO for the instructions!
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Old 07-23-2007, 02:15 AM
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wow, ya know I have noticed a problem with noise on some pioneer headunits. Good to know.
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Old 07-23-2007, 11:23 AM
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was this always a problem or just on the newer ones?
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Old 07-23-2007, 01:41 PM
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Not sure to tell you the truth... and I guess your definition of "NEW" is subjective.. this particular HU was purchased in 2002 (-ish??)

I Learned this from The Boys at DIYMobileAudio (--Great Site for the electronics enthusiast!-- )http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13889
That's where I learned about Pioneer and these dang Pico Fuses..they are there to supposedly protect the output circuitry. As far as I know, Pioneer is the only one that came up with this brain fart...
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Old 01-01-2008, 03:40 PM
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Great post Renee! I personally took my DEH-P860 apart for somthing else and checked it out anyway.
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Old 01-01-2008, 03:41 PM
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p.s your trim ring is still on upside down.
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Old 01-01-2008, 07:22 PM
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hehehehe.. I wont ever live that down will I? :P

BTW: I dont have that radio anymore--- I gave it to Jaclynn to play with.
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